Wednesday, November 5, 2008

Aluminum Extrusions

Skippy – We heard a question about aluminum extrusions and (potential?) die modifications –

“I have a simple L-shape extrusion that is currently produced by a supplier. We have need for an additional L-shape extrusion with a shorter length on one of the legs. The supplier has stated that a whole new die is needed. Why wouldn’t the supplier be able to use the existing extrusion die by blocking off part of the existing die with a removable plate that covers part of the leg?” [similar to plastics extrusion – S - ]

Buzz - as far as tooling for aluminum extrusions go, the die charge (with any volume) for a new die is probably only around $1200 to $1600. You might be better off if the quantity is small working with a someone to trim off a small amount of aluminum and sell the scrap to recover the cost -

Example -

Normal extrusion costs $.80 per foot

Corrected extrusion costs $.68 per foot

Retail value of aluminum difference $.12 per foot

Recovery cost of scrap aluminum est. max 50% or $.06 per foot

Cost to machine off aluminum portion not needed est. $.10 per foot

$.80 extrusion + $.10 fabrication cost -$.06 aluminum recovery = $.84

versus

$.68 and a die charge of guesstimate - $1600

Difference is $.16 per foot - so until you buy 10000 feet ($1600 divided by $.16 per foot savings) it is cheaper to work with someone to fabricate what you need.

Note - The guesstimate for the foot cost on the current extrusion might be somewhat smaller if you go up in total volume - buying the portion that is normal PLUS the portion that you will have fabricated -

Substitute in your own numbers and see what looks best -

Good luck.

Wednesday, September 17, 2008

UPdate to saw blades discussion

Here is a site worth looking at for Acrylic sawing tips - although the generalizations lend themselves more to your own trial and error -

http://www.plasticsmag.com/features.asp?fIssue=Jan/Feb-04&aid=3920

For some tool speed suggestions on more exotic plastic materials - look here -

http://www.boedeker.com/fabtip.htm

And as the good old standby for good plastic blade general info including blade component terminology I use

http://www.generalsaw.com/resource/plasticblade.html

Once again, the key to machining plastics in general is to have a tooth chip design which lends itself to cutting or slicing depending on material, holding the material firmly to prevent chatter, adequate tool speed to remove material but slow enough to discourage heat generation (gumming up the works so to speak) and making sure to deal with chip and dust evacuation issues - always including using your protective equipment - eye, ear and nose/mouth protection.

- Skippy -

Sunday, April 20, 2008

'Smart Boards' - 80% of the capability at a fraction of the cost

Skippy: If you're like most of us, you have computers, and you may have one of those low cost projectors to show your PowerPoint presentations at your board meetings. Most of us would also love to have one of those several thousand dollar 'Smart Boards' for the conference room or to use on the road with business presentations and brain storming - but the cost . . .

Buzz: well, yes; and?

Skippy: It never fails to amaze me that 'connective thinking opportunities' occure all the time. I was at a school board meeting the other night as an involved parent and was watching a technology coordinator and some teachers delivering an update on integrating computer technology into standard subjects like readin' writin' and 'rithmetic etc. As I watched the demonstration that evening using an inexpensive projector - I thought of this project I saw on the web in the last few days that had to do about gaming technology but hadn't really done anything with yet. I felt I just had to share this with as many business partners as I could this week - Don't you wish we could be as cool as young people like this young man? see:

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/245

His Wii remote hacks and additional programming are here:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/

Buzz: after watching these, I can't help thinking that this would be a good low cost project for one or more high school kids in computer or science class, and the outcome would be a presentation showing "80% of the capability of these white boards (at $2.0-$.30 thousand each for large ones) at a small percentage of the cost" as the author demonstrates. If nothing more, it along with some 'zippy presentation' might spur the school board into further alignment with the technology.

Skippy: Right you are, AND this is one of those times where you just have to wonder to yourself, couldn't this be applied in my business as well; I need to get my 'computer and wrench staff' working together to try this out -

Enjoy

Sunday, February 17, 2008

Plastic 'Shrinks' When Heated (?)

Buzz – say Skippy, I’m always amazed at the long list of things to consider when developing a product. I ran into what seemed to be a routine question about ‘plastic product shrinkage’. The situation was that product was produced as usual, sold into the distribution channels and then made its way into various final applications in different areas of the country. After some time in installation, apparently some product was exposed to elevated heat(s) and ended up shrinking, leaving gaps between product pieces. A light examination up the food chain back to the material supplier was done, and the information passed back down was that Plastic Shrinks When Heated’ – what’s up with that?

Skippy - I always liked that line in Star Wars - "Every thing is true; from a certain point of view." I'm pretty sure that the technical folks would not try to have you believe that plastic simply by design "shrinks when heated" - the reverse is actually true - something is happening here, but it is something else.

Buzz – Well there are products that do exhibit ‘shrink’ when heated – what’s the difference with what is happening here?

Skippy – What will we use for the foundational thinking?

Buzz – Lets use these as our working assumptions -

a) Thermoplastic is composed of molecules in polymer chains tangled up together
b) When heat energy is incorporated into a mass of plastic, additional energy is imparted to the molecules in these chains
c) The molecules get excited and the chains begin to move apart from one another and the mass "grows / occupies more space" - more open space is left between the finite numbers of molecules in the chains (the net amount of plastic isn't changing) as the chains untangle.
d) If no other additional source of energy is expended to lock the molecules in an orientation of "apartness" (Read: Stress) while 'cooling', then as the plastic cools and gives up the heat energy, the molecule chains will re-entangle, nestling back together more closely and the air (if that’s what is occupying the space between them) will return to other areas of the environment.

Skippy – Good; now then, here are two examples where ADDITIONAL energy is ADDED beyond the energy to "melt" the plastic and the result is to ENCOURAGE a part being "larger" than what the apparent volume would be -

Example one -

Sheet for thermoforming is extruded and pulled through a roll stack, and as it leaves the stack, the pulling device continues to stretch and "orient" the plastic during the cooling stage.

Buzz - Isn’t thick gage Polyethylene sheet famous for "orientation"? Even to the extent that you specify the amount of "orientation" you expect in the sheet as it is produced so that it will have predictable "sag" during forming?.

Skippy - Yes, the short version on the way to check for correct orientation is to cut some sheet into known dimensional pieces (2" x 10"), lay them on a tray with a little talc on the tray to allow the sheet to slide around easily, and put the tray into a lab oven at a known temperature (different for different types of plastic) and heat the sheet up. Then without adding mechanical stress allow it to cool. This process will allow the sheet to heat up enough to RELEASE the processed in orientational STRESS (additional mechanical energy that is not apparent to the eye) and the sheet will 'shrink' in one or more directions. Repeated re-heatings once the stress is all released will not make the plastic shrink further. It is not the heating that "shrinks the plastic".

Buzz – So the heating releases the STRESS that is holding it bigger.

Skippy – Right. You measure the sheet before and after the heating and cooling and do some calculations and you see the amount of "orientation" that was present between being extruded and after releasing the stretched in orientation.

Example two –

The other more obvious example is "Heat Shrink Tubing" - I'm sure you know what this is - it is extruded tubing of various materials including Polyolefins or PVC that you put over wire connections, add a little heat with a heat gun and PRESTO the tube shrinks into intimate contact to cover the electrical connection. This Tubing is made by extruding and adding additional MECHANICAL STRESS into the part - orientation if you will that once the tubing is heated, will release the mechanical stress - it will not change the mass of plastic, only allow this built in energy to be released - so by design it is to 'shrink when heated'.

Buzz – aha, here’s an excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_shrink_tubing :

"Heat shrink can also be expansion-based. This process involves producing the tubing as normal, heating it to just above the polymer's crystalline melting point and mechanically stretching the tubing (often by inflating it with a gas) finally it is rapidly cooled. Later when heated, the tubing will "relax" back to the un-expanded size."

Skippy – Spot on. Of course, by design, the product we opened the discussion with is not being designed to 'shrink when heated' and a complete understanding of the temperatures the product sees - in manufacture, in warehousing, in transportation, in job site storage and in application is in order. It seems likely that orientation exists in the product (as it does in most plastic processes) and something between the time it is a plastic product coming out of the line and it is in final installation is allowing the product to anneal and lose some of this orientation. So this much is true -The part is 'shrinking', and it is 'due to heat', but it is probably changing in size by releasing trapped in as produced stresses.

Buzz – Well another thing that was mentioned was that most of the material is shipped in over the road trucks to warehouses all over.

Skippy: As indicated, a holistic examination of the entire delivery system is in order - perhaps some or most of your product is getting warm enough to be self annealing in the over-the-road trucks passing through very hot conditions during the delivery phase, and has released its orientation while in boxes - these then if brought above the stress releasing temp and re-cooled in application can't release any more stress - it's already gone. On the other hand, if there are other parts that are not annealed in the delivery system and installed and they are heated up later (after installation?) it is possible they could be releasing molded in stress or orientation at that time. Look at the system variables just in our own US – products are produced in every corner and shipped coast to coast. Much of these products if routed to or through hot locations can get a good healthy annealing in hot trucks - the unknown to be studied during the product management cycle is for just how hot and for how long.

Buzz – So, another note to the product managers out there; an important item to be considered while developing plastic products is to pay attention to it all the way through to its final use(s). The development cycle should include the entire system from design considerations to installation (in the full range of environmental conditions) including the delivery methods and path of distribution.

Thursday, January 10, 2008

Clear plastic lens material

Skippy - hey Buzz - Happy New Year!
Buzz - same to you; another year gone by.
Skippy: seems like we had too much travel in December to post -
Buzz - well yes, but had some good questions to deal with like this one -

"I am looking into plastics and need to know about some plastics that have high UV resistance and are also transparent. So far the only leads I have are Polyarylate and Polyetherimide. If there are other plastic types that also fit this description please let me know.

Also I need the plastic to be crafted into a mostly cylindrical shape, about 12 inches tall, with a circular/ovular opening in the area of 2-4 inch diameter, so a company(s) that do this would also be useful to me. Any information is greatly appreciated, and if further information is needed, please let me know."

Skippy - that's an easy one. Acrylic is mentioned in many products as the material of choice in terms of process-ability (it can be molded or cast [for optical clarity to sharpen the light rays, or fuzziness to spread them out; depends on need] and extruded (and formed as necessary) into lens covers that could slide or snap on etc for ribbon type installations.

Buzz - sounds like the material might need to be machined . . .

Skippy - Yes, 'cylindrical' was mentioned - may be rod or tubing off the shelf that meets the need and if not - well, the material could be cast to very close dimensions, machined and then mechanically and chemically polished. Additionally, the material can be potted (to make water resistant etc.) and cast for items like pool and spa lights, highway markers etc when used to focus, cover and protect LED's; even including the more powerful LED units of today versus the past.

Buzz - Ok, opening up the thinking, there are other applications that come to mind. There are very high grades of crystal clear versions with good UV protection used in the archiving industry for special documents (remember National Treasure?), paintings etc.